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My Favorite Quotes of the Day

  • @MaryRobinette Giving Obama the Nobel Prize for Not Being George Bush is one of the biggest pieces of pwnage in history.
  • @whump: Shorter Obama Nobel Rationale: the World is watching you and hope you listen to reason, instead of the neocons.
  • @DaveHolmes So, wait: YAY Chicago lost the Olympics, BOO our president won the Nobel, and it's the OTHER SIDE that hates America?
  • @randomfacebookcommenter: Think of it as the "Welcome back to sanity!" prize.

Comments

bovil
Oct. 10th, 2009 10:56 pm (UTC)
Yeah, and I hear Beyoncé had a better video.

It's a myth that the Peace Prize is only awarded to people long after their work has been recognized as successful. Science and literature prizes, sure (and even then, sometimes the laureate's work is discredited after the award, like Wernstedt's Nobel Prize in Medicine for his theory that cancer was caused by parasites).

Nobel Peace Prizes, unlike the other Nobel prizes, often about the moment.

They have been awarded to recognize potential and encourage people to continue the recognized work.

They have been awarded to people who didn't even, in the end, succeed at the work they were being recognized for.

I'll let you dig through the laureates list. Look at what the prizes were awarded for, when the prizes were given, and what the end results were as shown by history. You will find other laureates who were nominated even less than a month after doing something. You will find laureates who ultimately failed at what they were attempting. It's an interesting read.

Hell, look at the Kissinger award; he was nominated less than a month after the truce he brokered, and by the time the award was announced he had (according to the year's other winner) broken that truce.

Edited at 2009-10-10 10:57 pm (UTC)
madoc62
Oct. 11th, 2009 12:28 am (UTC)
Andy,

Obama was awarded his Nobel for his "promise" to do something. Not his actually having done something, just his promise to do something.

Usually, you don't hand out awards for something as insubstantial as but a mere _promise_ of achievement.

Yet, that's exactly what the Nobel Peace Prize Committee has actually done.

And Kissinger? Well he and Lê Ðức Thọ had actually done something - they'd negotiated an end to the Vietnam war. Yeah, it didn't last. The North was lying through its teeth when it made its negotiations. But at least Henry _did_ something. He didn't just _promise_ to do something, he actually did it.

Obama? He got his laurel wreath for but a mere promise.

So, how's that work in the real world Andy? How about you go in to your job and tell them that you'll promise to do your work real hard if they give you an entire year's salary up front.

Andy, if you tried getting by in life like that folks would laugh in your face and you'd be pretty damn poor pretty damn quick.

Ah but this is the Obama we're talking about here, right? So, the common sense rules that apply to us common folk don't apply, eh?

Come on Andy, your attempting to defend Obama and rationalize this travesty is only covering you in the same muck he and they wallow in. You're better than that. I wish Obama was to but, obviously, he's not.

Madoc
bovil
Oct. 11th, 2009 12:56 am (UTC)
A truce is a promise. The Nobel Peace Prize history is littered with promises, some carried through and some squandered. In many cases, that's what the award is about. It still comes back to the same thing. It's the Norwegians' award. They give it how they like. If you don't like it, loose your complaints to the wind or go and start your own award to show them how it's done.

Maybe you haven't figured this out. I'm just taking pleasure in seeing Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michael Steele and Alan Bolton on the same side of an argument with Al Qaeda, Hamas and the Taliban. It makes me laugh.

Edited at 2009-10-11 12:57 am (UTC)
madoc62
Oct. 11th, 2009 01:05 am (UTC)
Andy,

"A truce is a promise?" Oh come on. Your argument is reduced to word gaming? That's it?

Yes, Andy, it is the Norwegians' award to expend. But there's also an onus on Obama for accepting it.

He did not have to stoop and accept such honors unearned.

Yet, he rushed to do so.

You can listen to the talking heads all you want and laugh as much as you like. The basic points remain:

Of what value honors unearned?

Of what character he who accepts such honors?

Madoc

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