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So yeah, I'm happy...

...but the Christotarians are continuing their cries that this is destroying marriage.

So for those of you out there heterosexually bonded in matrimony, I ask you one thing:

Is your marriage weaker now than it was at 9:59 am PDT, May 15, 2008?

If you can say "no" then good for you.

If you have to say "yes," you're a sad, sad person and I feel very sorry for you.

Did it take an outside influence, "threatening marriage," to make you notice the flaws in your own marriage? Has your marriage been a sham this whole time, only held together by government pressure? Is your marriage so weak that the government allowing other people of other traditions and faiths (or not partaking in any faith) to exercise their rights shatters your own faith and your marriage?

Feel free to ask these questions to others...


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May. 15th, 2008 09:09 pm (UTC)
Every time we hang out with you and K, we worry about how your loving relationship is dystroying our loving relationship.

I think it has more to do with you and I continuing to chat long after K & C have have both said "I'm tired, I want to go home."
May. 15th, 2008 09:13 pm (UTC)
Doesn't work if you're an atheist, mate. We lot have to face the facts anyway. ;-)

Just remember, lots of European countries and Australasia have had years (especially Scandinavia) of not bothering with that crap of "threatening what marriage stands for, etc etc".

Well, what DOES it stand for? How many do actually ask themselves that?
May. 15th, 2008 09:42 pm (UTC)
I am thrilled about this decision and hope the rest of the states follow suit. I have a gay cousin in CA that I hope to chat about this tonight. I am happy for all those in the gay and lesbian community and pray that this is the beginning of more tolerance and less hate.
May. 15th, 2008 09:45 pm (UTC)
That is exactly the question I've wanted to see asked of many, many people.

As an atheist, I like to think that I have already done my bit to weaken the institution of marriage.
May. 15th, 2008 09:52 pm (UTC)
I'm a sham! I must get a divorce so I can marry my cat right now! And it's all your fault!

Bec. doesn't gay marriage lead to bestiality? Slippery-slope & all.

*eye rolls*
May. 15th, 2008 09:59 pm (UTC)
*squeeze* /jade smacks hand.

Nope feels the same to me... :-)

In all seriousness, this is not even a universally Christian issue. I look at it as a sign of ignorance, because if they knew anyone like you and K and how much you two love each other, this whole thing would not be an issue.

I still fail to see why a religious article became enshrined in our legal system.
May. 15th, 2008 10:50 pm (UTC)
I'm really tired of these immoral people who keep trying to weaken the institution of marriage. When will they learn that they can't impose their definition1 of marriage on everyone else?

1Two persons of different genders but the same skin color, who go to an approved church, and don't use birth control
May. 15th, 2008 10:50 pm (UTC)
There's been some interesting discussion here if you're so inclined.

(At the same time, I just defriended a bitch because I couldn't stand him griping endlessly about how this was wrong, and o hai we should institute the draft and scuttle rent control and tax hybrids... I may be a moderate, but my tolerance for backwards-looking asshattery is very very low.)
May. 15th, 2008 10:59 pm (UTC)
I considered that position for a while, but what it really comes down to is the portability of the legal rights is tied to "marriage" and civil unions proved that.
May. 15th, 2008 11:26 pm (UTC)
Unless they eliminate all legal concepts of marriage and make the only legal protection tied to civil unions, it is still 2nd classing people based on who they are.

I am not sure if that would be a good thing, it would allow people to recognize relationships of mutual dependence and trust without the question of sex or intimacy.
May. 17th, 2008 02:48 am (UTC)
If a single person may join the conversation, I think splitting religious marriage from legal marriage/civil union would be a good thing. The government has no business endorsing a religious viewpoint on this issue, any more than it has on getting involved in transubstantation - consubstantiation - communion as symbol. (And I hope I didn't mangle those terms too badly, I'm catsitting for friends and my books are at home.)
May. 16th, 2008 12:03 am (UTC)
My marriage is only threatened by asshats those "fine upstanding God-fearing" people who want to legalize and enforce discrimination against people who are "not just like them". There was a time not that far off in history when my husband and I could not have legally married due to *gasp* our racial "differences".
May. 16th, 2008 12:32 am (UTC)
What's the divorce rate in the US again? Heterosexual marriage is destroying America!
May. 16th, 2008 02:39 am (UTC)
I was thinking about the same on the way home... What's destroying the institution of marriage? The number of people that don't respect it and respect their partners. It's way too easy for a couple to get hitched, and most of those start a long downward slide into divorce. Add to that (usually) poor communication skills, money & substance problems, ego, etc, and it's not hard to see why they fall apart. The "institution of marriage" becomes trivialized in their minds, and, well....
May. 16th, 2008 05:42 am (UTC)
Well if my marriage is weaker, it wasn't because of that!
If you are truly soul mates, what does it matter which vessel your soul rests in? It's too bad people of my faith hide behind the cross and cast stones.
May. 16th, 2008 07:35 pm (UTC)
Seriously, I have *never* heard or seen anyone even try to explain why permitting same-sex marriage would devalue mixed-sex marriage, let alone give a coherent theory. It seems to be along the lines of Groucho Marx' statement that he wouldn't belong to any club that would have him as a member--.
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