One can only hope, Clinton / Clinton for '08!

I still think he was a good President, if a little stupid in matters of opportunistic lust...

...certainly better than the nightmare demagogue with dictatorial power grabs we have suffered for the past 8 years. "One Nation, Under Surveillance..."

I don't really believe Bill would have more influence than any other First Spouse has had.

Nah, nominate him for SCOTUS.

Yeah, talk about political theater!

Oh, and in case you want to register with the class of '08, here's a link . . .

<http://www.classreport.org/usa/wi/manitowoc/lhs/1988/>http://www.classreport.org/usa/wi/manitowoc/lhs/1988/

Enjoy!

I doubt the conservative christians will be walking around with snarky "I smoted" stickers this time around? :)

Living in red state country, I can assure you that the Republicans will unite and hold their noses and vote for whoever is running against Hillary. I think the people on the coasts sometimes don't understand just how much the Clintons are hated in flyover land.

For the record, I am a Libertarian but I voted yesterday in the open Democratic primary in my state.

There are a lot of LDS in Idaho as well as Utah and Obama won points by not campaigning in Salt Lake City when it turned out the Mormon Church's president's funeral was that day. If he had attended the funeral, the media circus would have followed and disrupted it, and had he not he would have looked insensitive. So forgoing an appearance was seen by many LDS as a classy move. I don't think that hurt any.

Interesting thoughts!

Folks,

As to disillusioned Republicans, I wouldn't go throwing your shoulder out from patting yourselves on the back just yet. The Democrats are in even worse shape.

The conservative Republicans have a _long_ history of dealing with disillusionment in their candidates. Twenty years long, in fact, since the last conservative Republican they could line up for was Reagan. Just about every time since then they've sucked it up and showed up come November to vote for their party's man.

The only way the current bout of disillusionment could work for the Democrats is if they field an overly conservative candidate (by their standards) and the Republicans match them with an overly liberal one. And neither Hillary nor McCain fit that bill. McCain may well be a RINO (Republican In Name Only) but he's spot on conservative in several key areas. Areas which neither Hillary nor Obama come even close to. That will be a huge motivating factor come November.

Also, bear in mind that the disillusionment is being magnified by a Main Stream Media (MSM) that is of liberal bias and willfully seeks out any disagreeable thing to say about the Republicans that they can.

Now, if you think the GOP has problems with disillusionment, you've not looked over on the Democrat side.

Obama represents a generational difference for the Democrats. He is "New School" to Hillary's "Old Guard." Obama has the youth, the young, Hope, Change and being black going for him. Hillary has none of that. She represents the powers that be in the Democrat party - the ones that have lost each of the last presidential elections and the ones that have fielded the worst Congress in decades.

When Hillary clinches the nomination it will an an entirely Pyrrhic victory. She and her husband have revealed themselves as being so intent on getting power that they'll stoop to any depth to get it. This is nothing new for Billary, they've been doing this for decades now. The thing is they were usually doing it against Republicans so the MSM gave them a pass for their sleaze. This time though, not only did they try their underhanded tricks on a fellow Democrat but they also went after one the MSM had anointed as their favorite son - the "New JFK" in fact. Thus there was no more passes given them for their appalling and divisive mendacity.

Think how that's gonna play out come November.

Obama's been attracting political newbies in droves. These are starry eyed optimists who think the grubby and dirty world of national politics a grubby and dirty thing. They see their guy as being above all that and they're watching as Hillary is using one dirty trick against Obama after another. To say that's leaving a foul taste in their mouths is an understatement. When Hillary wins the nomination in August it might well so disgust Obama's legions that they decide to stay away from the polls this November.

McCain will be seen as a moderate and being far more honorable and decent than Hillary could ever even attempt. Given that, this might fully play into the Republican's hands even more than any disillusioned conservative's absence ever could.

Madoc

Bovil,

Yup, a couple of conservative talking heads and one TV network that likes to say it's "balanced" in its coverage. This, versus the rest of the national media. The media loves even a hint of controversy and goes after it avidly.

Yup, the Gipper was real good about doing his dance. They didn't call him the "Teflon President" just because none of the criminal actions of his subordinates managed to stick to him as well. Reagan was good at shifting his position and being pragmatic when necessary. He was also the most truly conservative president the Republicans have had in decades. That's what the modern Republican conservatives like to remember about Bonzo.

Madoc

Bovil,

No, I caught the point. Mine was that the disillusionment of the conservatives in the Republican party is being overblown. This, even by conservative Republican commentators. The Primaries are the one time in the election cycle in which the ideological extremists - on both sides - come to the fore. After the Conventions both the Republicans and Democrats expect their ideological purists to head back to their caves and not get in the way of winning the general election.

That's why I see the current whining about McCain being so inconsequential over the long haul. It's not gonna matter much come November.

However, over on the Democrat side, it's not ideology which is making a difference it's how vindictive and underhanded Hillary is being in going after the nomination. Differences of slight degree in ideology are one thing and are pretty easily brushed aside come the general election. The personal, vindictive, and malicious actions by the Clintons are something else. That is personal and it's not something the Obama supporters are liable to so easily forget let alone forgive.

Now, as to the MSM. The entertainment media is unabashedly liberal and leftist in its bias, its outlook, and its core. The news media is predominately liberal and leftist as well. Corporate ownership generally has little effect on the newsroom and editorial policy. Those still remain the purview of the left wing. This, with few exceptions and almost none of those operate on a national level.

Journalism itself is part of the "liberal arts" and is not noted for attracting folk of a conservative or right wing outlook. And even when it does precious few of such people manage to get through our universities to earn degrees in that field.

The training and breeding ground for journalists are those universities and colleges. In the halls of American Academia the left wing - the far left wing - is almost completely dominant. There are open and outright Marxists and Communists teaching students as to how e-vile America and the West truly is. Dissenting views on campus are crushed by demands for "political correctness" and "diversity awareness." That's why we get the likes of Ward Churchill celebrating 9/11 because it caused the deaths of so many "little Eichmanns" and Columbia University professor De Genova calling for a "million Mogadishus" to punish America and declaring "The only true heroes are those who find ways that help defeat the U.S. military."

With that being about the going standard in our universities is it any wonder that our "journalists" and news media which graduates from them turns out to be biased as well?

Madoc

The difference between Republicans and Democrats is Democrats vote their hearts, Republicans vote Republican.

Whoa! Down, boy! I could just as easily say Democrats vote their heads or their wallets or whatever else one may use to make an independent decision, and Republicans vote Republican.

I make no value judement.