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War on BULLSHIT!

On the way home from work tonight, I rode past Christmas in the Park, just like I have every night for the last two weeks.

I stopped at Safeway. I read price cards and fliers for Christmas Wrapping Paper and Gift Wrap for Christmas.

At the Starbucks next door (liberal Seattle hippie beatnik freak-o-corp), they were selling Christmas Blend Coffee.

At lunch, at the store, just about every where I've gone since before Thanksgiving, I've been hearing Christmas music. I was hearing Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas and The Christmas Song.

Could it be that I'm over-sensitive to Christmas stuff since I'm not Christian?

Could it be that I'm desensitized to Christmas since I'm not Christian?

Could it be that Bill O'Reilly is making this shit up?

Could it be that the religious folks who push Christmas, a major Christian holiday, as a universal secular holiday and Halloween, a major secular holiday and minor religious holiday as a Satanic threat are so deep in hypocrisy that they can't see what's really happening? If you really want to see a secular Christmas, take a look at how Christmas is celebrated in Japan. darrelx, you might like it, but I can bet that most of the "War on Christmas" crowd would hate it. Santa Claus, trees, consumerism, and not a Baby Jesus in sight.

And what's so wrong with "Happy Holidays" or "Season's Greetings" in the first place?

I guess for some people it's more offensive to suppose they might not be Christian than to assume that other people are Christian. I guess for some people it's offensive to think that axial tilt, pagan winter festivals and a bunch of rebel Jews with a miraculous lamp might be as much a reason for the season as Christ. I guess it's just the most current example of Those who call themselves “conservative” today aren’t happy unless people abide by their choices.

If this "War on Christmas" isn't taking place in the liberal stronghold of the Bay Area, I have to wonder where all these red-state conservatives are seeing it happen. I'm sure not seeing it happen. All I'm seeing is some megacorps deciding that "Happy Holidays" or "Season's Greetings" are more profitable to say. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought profit is right up there with God and country in the triumvirate of conservative values.

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cuddlycthulhu
Dec. 14th, 2005 11:53 pm (UTC)
*shrug* Today I was shocked at the level of vehemence in a coworkers voice as she said, "'Happy holidays?' No, it's 'Merry Christmas!'"

Nevermind the fact that most Christians don't realize that Christmas was one of the pagan holidays the Catholic Church Christianized. Or that if Jesus was born, then according to what the Bible says was going on at the time (shepherds being out at night, etc.) he'd have been born in the spring.

Hi, BTW, this is mzmntlion's little brother.
karisu_sama
Dec. 15th, 2005 12:39 am (UTC)
Vehemence? We're supposed to somehow just automatically by default assume she (or anyone else) is a Christian? Well, then just see MY vehemence in return if a person with that attitude were then to wish ME a "Merry religiousholidayIdontcelebratebecauseIdontbelongtoherreligionanditsoffensivetoassumeIdoorthat itshouldbenobigdealtome"
esprix
Dec. 14th, 2005 11:58 pm (UTC)
This is what I don't get - what is the issue with being more inclusive rather than being exclusive?

Oh, right - some weird thing about "the country's morals going downhill," which somehow translates to "lettin' all them FOREIGNERS come in and take over," combined with some irrational fear of "losing our American identity" or somesuch.

It's all blah blah blah. Some people fear change, and see it as a threat to their way of life, when the fact of the matter is, nobody cares about how they live their lives, just stop trying to interfere with others. This isn't a Christian nation - it is most decidedly NOT a Christian nation, nor should it be. (However, having a majority of Christians as its citizens is perfectly fine and neat and all that - Christianity in and of itself should not be making our laws and ruling our land is all.)

It's kind of like Fiore's cartoon about gay marriage - at one point all the conservatives are carrying signs that say "States' Rights!" and "Smaller Government!"... until gay marriage comes up, then they quickly flip their signs to read "There OUghta Be A Law!" and "Amend the Constitution Now!" Similarly, the ACLU is "waging a war on Christmas," until somebody's nativity scene in their front lawn is burned, then suddenly the ACLU is their best friend.
boywhocantsayno
Dec. 15th, 2005 12:39 am (UTC)
This is what I don't get - what is the issue with being more inclusive rather than being exclusive?

A very good question. Tonight, at the bowling alley, someone got on the PA and wished everyone a merry Christmas. I turned to h8torun and said (quietly), "and all you Jews can screw yourselves!"

I actually get wished a happy Hannukah more often than I am a merry Christmas, particularly at the bridge club. I always say, "thanks, but I'm not Jewish." It's the same people every year, too. I've been told I look a little Jewish - whatever that means.
esprix
Dec. 15th, 2005 12:48 am (UTC)
I bet if you wished some of these rabid righties a Happy Hannukah by accident they'd get offended.

Like, WHO THE FUCK CARES? You want to put the baby Jesus on your front lawn? Do it! You want to put up a Santa Claus? Do it! You want to not do anything? Do it!

But that's on YOUR property. Keep off my government, thank you.
karisu_sama
Dec. 15th, 2005 02:31 am (UTC)
Wishing people whose religion you don't know "Happy Holidays" is really nice and friendly, NOT freakin' offensive!!

Of course, if THEY happen to be Christian but truly wish to have a miserable and really crappy Christmas holiday instead of a happy one, who am I to argue... XD
esprix
Dec. 15th, 2005 12:52 pm (UTC)
I guess they're just sad 'cause they're not special anymore - we used to say only "Merry Christmas," but now we say "Happy Holidays." Poor li'l Christians!
karisu_sama
Dec. 15th, 2005 02:42 am (UTC)
..might as well add us Pagans to the list of "sentiment = screwed", as well as Hindus, Muslims, Unitarians (!), Atheists, et al... :/
esprix
Dec. 15th, 2005 12:51 pm (UTC)
Hooray for Unitarians! :D
zyxwvut
Dec. 15th, 2005 12:03 am (UTC)
War on Chanukah
Outside of the United States (for example, in Israel), Chanukah is not such a big deal. It's basically been made into "Jewish Xmas" so that the Jewish kids don't feel left out.

Z

P.S.: I HATE this time of year, when I can scarce go into a retail establishment without headphones.
karisu_sama
Dec. 15th, 2005 02:35 am (UTC)
Re: War on Chanukah
I HATE this time of year, when I can scarce go into a retail establishment without headphones.

Me too - and Bing Crosby's truly irritating "White Christmas" earworm is totally driving me nuts at this point. (Not only is Christmas NOT celebrated in MY religious path, but living in the San Francisco Bay Area, the chances of our having snow on December 25th are about a Snowball in Hell's worth...)
karisu_sama
Dec. 15th, 2005 12:41 am (UTC)
Yes, Bill O'Reilly IS indeed making that shit up. To drum up support and followers for his personal agenda. :/
esprix
Dec. 15th, 2005 12:49 am (UTC)
Yeah, really. And they say the left is full of rhetoric? HA!
trystbat
Dec. 15th, 2005 08:40 am (UTC)
Ditto. It's been going on for prob. 5 year now, that I've noticed. There's always some fundie nutjob saying "put the Christ back in Christmas." Of course, Christ's own ideas about humility, peace on earth, loving thy neighbor, etc., don't count for those folks.
bovil
Dec. 15th, 2005 10:13 am (UTC)
The folks beating the "War on Christmas" drum hardest right now are the folks pushing it as a universal secular holiday, not as a Christian religious holiday. Of course, a great many of them will flip-flop back to "put the Christ back in Christmas" as soon as their goal is achieved...
aramintamd
Dec. 15th, 2005 05:47 am (UTC)
Funny you should mention this:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5054626

I have a Carousel Tree and a Star Trek Tree (neither of which will be decorated as named this year because I have a moving force of chaos in residence), and I'm okay with that because they're both pagan symbols.

Merry Winter Holiday of Your Choice (including not celebrating anything, if that's what floats your boat...
finickynarcane
Dec. 15th, 2005 07:50 am (UTC)
Some years ago at a company that used to be very large, I went in to HR and asked why I wasn't invited to the company party. Since I don't celebrate Christmas, obviously a "Christmas party" was not appropriate for me to attend. They had Holiday parties, there after.
esprix
Dec. 15th, 2005 12:51 pm (UTC)
Holy crap!
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esprix
Dec. 15th, 2005 12:49 pm (UTC)
Hee! That's classic!
darrelx
Dec. 15th, 2005 12:59 pm (UTC)
There *is* a War on Christmas... but Christmas is winning.

Could it be that all the places that dropped the word "Christmas" from their public vocabulary a few weeks ago have felt the pressure and changed their minds?

Walmart backpedaled on their original policy almost as soon as they made it. Even though they fired an employee who sent out an EMail to a customer complaining about the lack of any mention about Christmas, they put out a Press Release saying that they let their greeters say whatever they want (despite the fact that just a few days before that press release, they told their greeters they had to say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas".)

The Home Depot here in Lemon Grove, although the corporate circulars two weeks ago only mentioned "Holiday Trees", "Seasonal Gifts", and never once mentioned the word "Christmas", now has hand-written "Merry Christmas" and "Christmas Trees" signs placed all over the lot, and out on the street to draw people in.

I saw a Target commercial on TV yesterday which was the exact same commercial I saw a week earlier, but this time it ended with a 2-second splash page that said "Merry Christmas." That wasn't there before.

Walmart's product search page, which just last week would take you to their "Holiday Page" if you searched for the word "Christmas", now lists all the products that are Christmas related... many of which have only recently had Christmas added to their descriptions. (At the time the "holiday page" was the search result for "Christmas", the words "Hannuka" and "Kwanzaa" resulted in a list of related products.)

I've seen other examples, too...

The "war" isn't fake... it's just being lost by the people waging it.
bovil
Dec. 15th, 2005 01:38 pm (UTC)
Don't say that too loudly.

It'll hurt John Gibson's book sales.

Seriously.

Either this is some big global liberal secular humanist Jewish ACLU conspiracy, or there's a sad failure by a disorganized few. It can't be both.

And, as part of the global liberal secular humanist Jewish ACLU conspiracy, I can say we've got bigger fish to fry than the destruction or even just the secularization of Christmas.

You've stated you're a celebrant of secular Christmas. I think you need to look a bit closer at John Gibson's book; you might find you're not a warrior for Christmas, but rather an enemy combatant.
bovil
Dec. 15th, 2005 01:45 pm (UTC)
You also haven't made your point.

For there to be a "War on Christmas" there has to be consolidated forces behind this, coordinating efforts to get Target, Home Depot and Wal-Mart to remove Christmas from their pubs.

The global liberal secular humanist Jewish ACLU conspiracy already hates Wal-Mart, and Wal-Mart knows it, so that knocks that idea out of the water.
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