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darrelx
Sep. 6th, 2005 03:42 pm (UTC)
In the wake of a disaster, it's extremely easy to point out what hasn't been done...

Why don't you read about what FEMA is doing?

It's a herculean effort going on to take care of a monstrous disaster... but all the Bush-haters want to do is pick apart what hasn't happened, instead of looking at what has happened already.

BTW, Price-gougers at the pumps are being prosecuted all over the country. Nationwide average price for petroleum fuels has dropped 12-cents per gallon since Friday. Over 50% of the refineries and pumps that were shut down because of Katrina are ALREADY open again. And the US Strategic Oil Reserves were opened up and have been sending Crude to refineries who lack enough Crude oil to maintain production, and sending refined gasoline to stations that need it.
galtine1
Sep. 6th, 2005 04:05 pm (UTC)
http://mgno.com/

These guys are on the front line, on the 10th floor of an office building in the CBD. Go back to the beginning and see how long it took for NOPD, FEMA and the 82nd to arrive and start doing something.

They (the US gov't) responded faster to the December '04 tsumani than they did to Katrina.
bovil
Sep. 6th, 2005 06:55 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that's a very direct answer. It doesn't matter what FEMA says it's doing, their story doesn't jive with what I hear from my Gulf Coast contacts who are lucky enough to have open communication lines.

Zipa/DirectNIC has been doing some amazing things to keep (for a while) the only internet connection in New Orleans live, but they know where their priorities are, including providing fuel for their backup generators to resupply guard trucks. I'd only heard some information about them through the minimalist pages SomethingAwful posted on a temporary DreamHost account as they got reports back from Zipa on what was going on there.
bovil
Sep. 6th, 2005 04:39 pm (UTC)
Is Trent Lott a Bush hater? If Bush doesn't untangle his administration, he may never get that invite to sit on Lott's rebuilt front porch.

Bush haters my ass.

BTW, when are you going to post about the folks billing this as a "judgement from God?" Or is making excuses for the administration taking up too much of your time?
darrelx
Sep. 6th, 2005 04:51 pm (UTC)
nice sidestep. (to coin a phrase)

As for religious claims: I think they're all bullshit so I just let them pass. Let's just say that my views on any organized religion (not favoring one over any other here) are not consistant with the conservative platform.
bovil
Sep. 6th, 2005 05:46 pm (UTC)
I don't think it's a sidestep. I pointed out that a high-ranking Republican Senator (yeah, booted from his highest post, but still in office) and friend of George W. is criticizing FEMA and asking Bush to unsnarl the same messes that your "Bush-haters" are. He's not the only one. Hit any left-wing blog; nothing grabs headlines there like another conservative media outlet blasting the response.

Michelle Malkin, Fox News contributor, blasts FEMA director Michael Brown. Republican Congressman Charles W. Boustany Jr., on the ground in Lousiana spent Thursday and Friday trying to impress upon the administration the scope of the disaster and speed up the response as reported in the Washington Post (a news outlet friendly to Bush's administration).

If criticizing FEMA and the administration makes people Bush-haters, pretty soon the only people under the big tent are going to be you and the Christian Right. Yes, that's a segue to my other comment.

The Republican leadership put you in bed with them; if you don't agree with the planks they've shoved into the platform, say something about it. Or would that prevent you from "staying on-message?" Are those votes that they delivered (and Bush strategists see as what put them over the top) so important that you're going to just let it slide?
madwriter
Sep. 8th, 2005 01:16 pm (UTC)
And Newt Gingrich said this past week that if we couldn't deal with something we saw coming for days, how would we defend against a biological or nuclear attack?
angry_american
Sep. 6th, 2005 04:54 pm (UTC)
Hmm, seems to me like weve been gouged from the get go, but I'm just agreeing with UAE Oil Minister ΄Ubaid al-Nasiri (
http://www.mees.com/postedarticles/energy/saudi/a47n20a01.htm) a surplus still exists.

Do people charge more for oil even when there isn't a crisis?

People do.

-FW
darrelx
Sep. 6th, 2005 05:01 pm (UTC)
Hmm, seems to me like weve been gouged from the get go, but I'm just agreeing with UAE Oil Minister ΄Ubaid al-Nasiri (
http://www.mees.com/postedarticles/energy/saudi/a47n20a01.htm) a surplus still exists.


Yes, a surplus still exists... in the Middle East. That doesn't help us in the short term, where it takes weeks for that surplus to arrive here, which is EXACTLY my point. All the people crying about prices going to go up to $5 and $6 per gallon by the end of the month are spreading bullshit rumors. The prices are going to go back down in just the next week or two after this short-term supply crisis is over.

BTW, prices were expected to near $3 per gallon according to new-year's predictions from financial analysts... I just wish I could find the link now. Katrina wasn't the only reason the prices went up at the pump.

Don't forget that Labor-day weekend is historically the highest fuel prices of the year.
angry_american
Sep. 7th, 2005 09:46 am (UTC)
Ok ok,

For a moment there, I thought this was an excuse of some kind for high gas prices. While I welcome higher gas prices because it will wean people from the tit of oil consumption, I also think that oil companies, like all other companies, are making a sizable profit of consumers. This disaster isn't really any different from any other excuse (holiday, summer, inflation, etc.) so should just be viewed as the logical result of companies trying to turn a profit.

-FW
bovil
Sep. 7th, 2005 02:22 pm (UTC)
It isn't, really.

Here's some memos supporting that idea.
bovil
Sep. 7th, 2005 02:27 pm (UTC)
My father, the die-hard cynic, says the fuel companies are going to take advantage of this.When they drop their prices back (barely) below $3/gal it'll be more than folks have been used to, but under the dreaded $3 so folks will be happy.

Of course, the day after the 2004 election he said that we could expect $3/gal gas prices within a year (outside of CA, even). Even without the hurricane, prices were climbing there.
karisu_sama
Sep. 6th, 2005 04:36 pm (UTC)
Reposted.
And I see it's propagating.

And in today's newspaper: yet ANOTHER highly trained local emergency response team that's gone down there, but is STILL not being sent in / allowed to where they are needed. So they're sitting on their hands, and frustrated as hell.
angry_american
Sep. 6th, 2005 04:46 pm (UTC)
Yep, they also turned down 3 Carnival luxury cruise ships - adequetely equiped floating cities. Of course, now they want to use them because they have no ability to do anything themselves. The media is flooded with reports of how FEMA chartered, rented, and begged for these ships. Fact is, they were freely offered before the storm hit.

http://www.cruise-addicts.com/article.php?sid=646&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

:(

-FW

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