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Because it's time...

I officially christen the Roman Polanski apologist and derailment effort "RapeFail"

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hughcasey
Sep. 28th, 2009 08:24 pm (UTC)
"But it WASN'T rape! She CONSENTED!"

0_o

Some people just can't seem to understand the idea of "she was 13, you moron!"

However, the fact that SHE wants everything dropped at this point carrys a lot of weight with me, and I think should be taken into account.

I'm not concerned about him so much as her.
bovil
Sep. 28th, 2009 08:30 pm (UTC)
She was 13 and drugged and her mom was an opportunist. Still not her fault.

It's Polanski's defenders that are bringing the fail. "Wah! He's such a gifted artist!" Try "Wah! He's such a gifted rapist!"
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hughcasey
Sep. 28th, 2009 08:53 pm (UTC)
I agree with that.

However, it now becomes a case of:

1. If the original victim no longer wants things to proceed, and
2. If the original trial was crooked, as Polanski claims (he had a plea deal in place, and it was thrown out by the Judge, who didn't give a reason), and
3. Charging him creates an international incident...

The question becomes, is it WORTH bringing him to justice? Can we afford it?

I'd like to see it, but sometimes, sadly, the bad guys win. :-(
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ladycelia
Sep. 28th, 2009 08:34 pm (UTC)
Probably going to catch a ration of shit for this, but...
Given that the victim has requested that the charges be dropped, and given that the victim has received an "undisclosed settlement", I think that the authorities are (at this point) over-reacting.

Edited at 2009-09-28 08:36 pm (UTC)
bovil
Sep. 28th, 2009 08:42 pm (UTC)
Re: Probably going to catch a ration of shit for this, but...
I have no problem accepting her decision.

It's just watching the rush of Polanski's friends to defend him, to talk about how much he's suffered in fear of extradition while living the good life in Europe and producing award-winning movies...

...he's been so victimized.
britgeekgrrl
Sep. 28th, 2009 08:49 pm (UTC)
Re: Probably going to catch a ration of shit for this, but...
Yeah... being unable to pick up that Oscar in-person must have been SO terrible for him. That poor, poor, man.

*mutters darkly*

I don't give a damn if the victim has since hired a skywriter to say that she's recovered and moved on, rape is rape.
ladycelia
Sep. 29th, 2009 03:26 am (UTC)
Re: Probably going to catch a ration of shit for this, but...
I am not defending him. I am questioning the actions of the authorities.
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denisen1
Sep. 29th, 2009 12:11 am (UTC)
Re: Probably going to catch a ration of shit for this, but...
I'm going to disagree with you here.
If it were only a crime against the girl, sure, let the whole thing drop. But despite the woman's reasons for wanting the whole thing dropped - she's forgiven him herself, the financial settlement, and she doesn't want any more media attention - Polanski has yet to actually pay for his sins.
Think of it this way, if you will: if time and money was the answer to punishing crime, the rich could run wild - commit rape, murder, whatever, and then go to ground for a few years, pay a settlement and c'mon back to do it again. Not to over-simplify things, but the idea that RP can buy himself out of trouble for rape of a child just leaves me cold.
He has to be punished, as much to set an example for any other child-raping morons out there, as to make clear that regardless what parenting choices, 13-year old choices, and old rich pervy guy choices are made out there, some things are Simply Not Okay.
ladycelia
Sep. 29th, 2009 12:29 am (UTC)
Re: Probably going to catch a ration of shit for this, but...
I'm not saying that it's okay. What happened was very, very wrong. BUT--do we really need to extradite him from Switzerland for it 30 years after the fact? There are better uses for the resources that are being used here. If he comes to the U.S., arrest his ass. But I don't really see him as a threat to society. Certainly not enough of one to warrant this circus. And really, if you think that the wealthy don't already get away with stuff just by being wealthy...

karisu_sama
Sep. 29th, 2009 02:29 am (UTC)
Re: Probably going to catch a ration of shit for this, but...
It's not about protecting society, it's about delayed punishment for a committed (and admitted) crime. Why should he get off, just for having run away for 30 years?

He raped a child. I don't see how the fact that it happened 30 years ago now changes that he deserves punishment for that.

Of course the wealthy more often than not get away with stuff by being wealthy - that's how this low-life managed to run away for 30 years in the first place. However, it should not be encouraged.
denisen1
Sep. 29th, 2009 03:12 am (UTC)
Re: Probably going to catch a ration of shit for this, but...
Because we're doing such a nice job of keeping the debate civil (I'm SO proud of us, really!), here's my reply:

There IS some question in my mind about why we nabbed him only recently in Switzerland, given that he owns property there and apparently visits frequently.

And I agree that the rich get away with more because they're rich and can buy certain privileges/perks in life through donations, the ability to be that much more transportable, etc.

But just because it's been done before, just because there's been time that's passed, doesn't give RP a "get out of jail free" card.

Maybe he cronied up to the Bushs and Clintons in the past. Maybe he paid his local Swiss chancellor handsomely for the privilege of not being handed over to U.S. authorities. Regardless of how he kept out of the hands of U.S. authorities, however, Polanski well earned his reward today.

I actually do see him roaming around at large as a threat to society. Recidivism is huge in paedophiles - different therapies have been used to treat molesters and rapists on their release from whatever jails, with varying, but generally disappointingly low results. That includes chemical castration and aversive therapies, if I remember my classes from my long-ago minted psych B.A. correctly. God only knows what he's been up to trotting around Europe for the last 30 years, bothering the local sheep and shepherds
daughters.

Would you want him living next to your hot to trot, horomonally-enhanced 12 year old daughters? I wouldn't.

But as middle-class Americans, we don't always have the right to decide. We actually have a bona fide Megan's Law offender living four houses away from us. Why weren't we notified by the police? Not their job, we were told. How did he manage to buy a house in a nice neighborhood full of families with girls and boys for him to eye with perhaps more attention than is warranted from a typical hen-pecked, lawn-mowing, soccer team coaching dad? His wealthy mother-in-law bought the house for him. I guess she figured no one would notice ...

In Roman Polanski's case at least, however, I can only hope the embarassment of having the whole affair brought up again, the pain of being taken from what is undoubtedly a luxurious European existence, and the frustration of not being able to buy his way out of trouble this time will be just the right mix of averse consequences to help Polanski remember.

So that the next time some idiot mother of a starlet pushes her kid in his direction, he'll keep his dick in his pants, where it belongs.

And that effect, even if it's just on the person, makes it worth every single penny we spend on his apprehension.
ladycelia
Sep. 29th, 2009 03:24 am (UTC)
Re: Probably going to catch a ration of shit for this, but...
Well of course we're being civil. We have the right to have differing opinions.
For me, I think one of the things that's bothering me the most about this is the timing. It comes hard on the heels of the U.S. getting the Swiss to uncover a bunch of 'secret' bank accounts. There's something not quite right there. As you mentioned, he has a home in Switzerland. He's been in and out of the country for years.
One of the things that I don't know about in this case is whether or not the parents of the girl involved were held in any way accountable for what happened, because sure as God made little green apples, there is culpability there, too.

There was a pedophile that lived a few houses down from my grandmother. And he liked both boys and girls. Nothing was ever proven, but every kid in that neighborhood knew that you didn't go to Tony's house alone. Ever. It was fine if there was a bunch of people, but not alone.

And just to reiterate: I'm not saying that he shouldn't be punished for his crime. What I am saying is that I think there were better ways to go about it.

Edited at 2009-09-29 03:25 am (UTC)
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ladycelia
Sep. 29th, 2009 04:02 pm (UTC)
Re: Probably going to catch a ration of shit for this, but...
Do you really think that if he wasn't high profile that they'd have bothered? I don't. One way or the other, it's still action predicated on who the culprit is.
bovil
Sep. 29th, 2009 05:20 pm (UTC)
Re: Probably going to catch a ration of shit for this, but...
Do you really think that if he wasn't high profile that they'd have bothered?

Focusing on who he is is nothing more than a distraction from what he did. The motivation of the authorities would perhaps be an issue if they were shirking their duties, but they're not.
ladycelia
Sep. 29th, 2009 05:43 pm (UTC)
Re: Probably going to catch a ration of shit for this, but...
I disagree. The argument from his defenders is that he's a great artist who has been living in fear, the argument from those in favor of the extradition is that regardless of his status he should be taken into custody. I still believe that at the end of the day this case is not so much about the victim or the crime as it is about the perpetrator and who he is.
bovil
Sep. 29th, 2009 08:26 pm (UTC)
Re: Probably going to catch a ration of shit for this, but...
He should be let free because of who he is. He should be extradited because of who he is.

Doesn't wash. He should be extradited because he committed a crime and fled sentencing. Then let the courts do their job.
yourbob
Sep. 29th, 2009 02:09 am (UTC)
I have nieces and nephews. I have no sympathy or patience with child rapists (even if they're "only" called molesters). They should be strung up by the offending parts until they drop off, have the parts stuffed down their throats, then be drawn and quartered (and yes, I actually do know what that means). No matter how long it takes or who they are. It's the only offense for which I believe in the death penalty (I think). Apologists for the rapists be damned.
inflectionpoint
Sep. 29th, 2009 02:48 am (UTC)
Thank you.
howeird
Sep. 29th, 2009 05:58 am (UTC)
What took them so long?

My only problem with this is it is too late to ruin his career.
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