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Republican Desperation...

So there's the Acorn hoo-ha. While registration fraud is bad, there are three reasons this isn't the big scandal that the Republicans are making it out to be:
  1. Voter registration groups are required to submit all registration forms they collect, even if the canvassers are certain that the person filling them out is lying on them. It's the law. It's normal. In itself, it's not suspicious
  2. Registration fraud is a losing game. It's very difficult to translate to effective polling-place fraud. You need tens of thousands of people to pretend to be the fake registrants, and that's impractical at best.
  3. The current investigations indicate that rather than widespread concerted registration fraud at Acorn, what happened with the few large concentrations of bad forms was some minimum wage slackers faking their work.
It's much easier to engage in wholesale disenfranchisement by denying masses of legitimate registrations. The Supreme Court just prevented Republicans in Ohio from doing just that.

There's "Joe the Plumber" who turns out to not really be a plumber, turns out to have lied about his plumbers' union membership on his Facebook page, turns out to be an in-law of Charles Keating, turns out to be a registered Republican, turns out to owe a few grand in back taxes...

There's John McCain's use of the same robocalling company (FLS-Connect) and tactics that he condemned when W used them against him in the 2000 South Carolina primary (then it was John McCain's interracial child and Cindy McCain's drug abuse, this time it's "palling around with terrorists").

There's the "natural born citizen" bullshit. It doesn't matter what "evidence" the folks making this claim manufacture. Obama's mother is a US citizen, he's naturally born to her, he derives his citizenship from her, regardless of where it happened, regardless of his father's nationality.

Then again, maybe that last one isn't a bad argument.

Get John PanaMcCain out of the election! We don't want a Mexican President! That's why he's so soft on illegal immigration! And that Palin chick, I bet her Idaho birth certificate is a fake! She can see Russia from her house! She's really a natural born Russian! It's illegals and commies trying to take over the White House!

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howeird
Oct. 18th, 2008 06:24 am (UTC)
It's illegals and commies trying to take over the White House!
You see, this is why I'm undecided. Would I rather have a warmongering Panamanian cripple and his drug-addled wife in the White House, or a pair of lawyers?
:-)
bovil
Oct. 18th, 2008 06:46 am (UTC)
Well, when you put it that way...

I'll take what's behind door number lawyer. We already know Sarah Putin is behind the other door.
howeird
Oct. 18th, 2008 06:49 am (UTC)
Well if you're going to bring Sarah into it, I have to remind you that there's a third lawyer behind door number lawyer. I forget if three of a kind beats a fool house.
bovil
Oct. 18th, 2008 06:58 am (UTC)
Mr. T beats a fool house.
yourbob
Oct. 18th, 2008 04:36 pm (UTC)
Personally, I'll take people who are smart enough to go through law school, over people who aren't smart enough to know their addresses or what they can see out their windows every time.
howeird
Oct. 19th, 2008 04:23 am (UTC)
I don't suppose being smart enough to fly a fighter jet qualifies. Nope, W can do that. ;-)
yourbob
Oct. 19th, 2008 05:00 am (UTC)
Since computers can do that now, no. Doesn't qualify. Besides I've heard McCain say he did some stupid things on that "last run" that got him shot down.

He seems to choke when it comes to important decisions.
hoshikage
Oct. 18th, 2008 06:49 am (UTC)
I am firmly convinced that the McCain campaign is not run by actual humans, but by howler monkeys. I'd say "secretly" run by howler monkeys, except that I'm not sure it can really count as a secret when it's so plainly obvious...
bovil
Oct. 18th, 2008 06:57 am (UTC)
Fundamentalist Christian bonobo monkeys, actually. Since they're all graduates of ex-polyamorous-bisexual-orgiast ministry programs, they tend to ramp up the poo-flinging to compensate.
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kilah_hurtz
Oct. 18th, 2008 07:23 am (UTC)
You know the thing that I find funny/sad about the whole "Joe the plumber" thing is that it was such a setup job. Here was a guy that voted in the primary, is registered republican and happened to come out when a news crew was following Obama around and confront him on his taxes.

Now the part I really dislike starts, "Joe", who is not really Joe, but Samuel, lies about just about everything when he talks to Obama, He is neither a plumber, nor an independent, nor does he make 250,000, nor does the company he works for, nor licensed or insured as a plumber (not even a legal plumbers assistant). He basically flat out lied and wasted everyone's time and even then he could not keep his facts straight when it was explained to him.

Then the video makes it on the Drudge report in just mere hours and is a read meat republican wet dream. McCain jumps on this a day or so later without vetting the guy, his background or claims and mentions him 20+ times in a debate. He even got him on a commercial that is playing still.

And now they act like its the medias fault that their impromptu spokes person is a liar?
aramintamd
Oct. 18th, 2008 12:53 pm (UTC)
You mean just like they vetted Sarah Palin (soon to be Granny Sarah)?

Riiighht.
madoc62
Oct. 21st, 2008 02:42 am (UTC)
KH & all,

Wow. I agree, this is sad.

I'm sorry to see this sort of stuff happen. Particularly from the Democrat side.

To be specific:

The guy's full name is: Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher - i.e. he _IS_ Joe.

Mr. Joe Wurzelbacher works for Newell Plumbing & Heating as a plumber. Joe does indeed not have a plumber's license. In Ohio he doesn't need a license to work as a plumber.

Joe has been working as an _Apprentice_ plumber at Newell Plumbing but, but since he's not been in that line of work for the required five years - HE CAN'T GET HIS PLUMBING LICENSE YET.

At no point did Joe say he makes $250K.

He did however, ask Obama: "I’m getting ready to buy a company that makes $250,000 to $280,000 a year. Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?"

Barry Obama was the one who approached Joe _NOT_ the other way around.

And it was Obama who made sure to have the media on hand so as to capture Obama doing his "meet the common man shtick."

Unfortunately, such encounters can lead to rather unscripted moments and it's obvious that Joe didn't get the memo to remain only praiseworty of Obama.

So, obviously, for this, he must be made to pay.

Obviously.

Sigh...

So, here's a guy who a politician approached and the guy responds to the politician with an uncomfortable truth.

If it were some "man on the street" saying something uncomfortable to McCain then everyone would be singing that guy's praises.

But, since it's a "man on the street" who dared say something uncomfortable to the anointed Democrat candidate the whole of the Democrat party decides to pile onto this guy and vilify him.

So much for the Democrats being "all about the little guy" and for "supporting the working man."

Yeah, that truly is sad alright.

Madoc
bovil
Oct. 21st, 2008 06:19 am (UTC)
Mr. Joe Wurzelbacher works for Newell Plumbing & Heating as a plumber. Joe does indeed not have a plumber's license. In Ohio he doesn't need a license to work as a plumber.

Joe has been working as an _Apprentice_ plumber at Newell Plumbing but, but since he's not been in that line of work for the required five years - HE CAN'T GET HIS PLUMBING LICENSE YET.


Factually incorrect distraction and misdirection. Mind you, Ohio licensing is bit of a bitch to make sense of.

Wurzelbacher's meeting with Obama was loaded with lies, starting with his claim of being a plumber for 15 years. Wurzelbacher has none of the licenses nor registrations required in any of the jurisdictions that he works as a plumber. Wurzelbacher first registered with the Ohio State Apprenticeship Council in 2003, which should have resulted in a completion last year (this from the Apprenticeship Council). There is no record of completion, though. Wurzelbacher is also not licensed in Lucas County or Toledo, where licenses are required to do any plumbing work (even if you're working for a licensed plumber). He has not applied for a license in either Toledo or Lucas County (which he should be eligible to do at this point).

"Gettin' ready to buy a company that makes about two hundred and fifty, two hundred and seventy, two hundred and eighty thousand dollars a year" is also a whopper. Wurzelbacher admitted that he has no actual plans or means to buy A & W Newell Corp (or Newell Plumbing & Heating). He makes about $40k/year, and would likely benefit more from Obama's tax cuts than from McCain's tax cuts. There's also not any evidence that Newell Corp makes over $250k/year.

Barry Obama was the one who approached Joe _NOT_ the other way around.

Nope. Obama chose to talk with voters in Wurzelbacher's neighborhood, but Wurzelbacher admitted he chose to go up and ask Obama a question. Wurzelbacher thought he could make Obama look bad by claiming personal connection and impact from a fabricated situation.

Fabricated situations tend to unravel, though. It's not an attack, it's fact-checking.
voidampersand
Oct. 18th, 2008 03:01 pm (UTC)
I don't think you understand how serious this voter fraud issue is. ACORN registered Mickey Mouse to vote. Think about it. Everyone loves Mickey Mouse. Can you say no to Mickey Mouse? On election day, millions of illegals (possible terrorists) will descend on the polls, claim to be Mickey Mouse, and the poll workers won't be able to turn them away.
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